College Audition Repertoire

Dear Greg,
I'm researching colleges with outstanding music programs and music conservatories for my Gifted Education program, and part of it is comparing all the different requirements of the school as far as auditions for piano go. I was wondering, what did you play for your auditions?
 - Caitie

Dear Caitie,

Juilliard and Yale's audition requirements are listed on their websites. Some of them are pretty complicated, so I'd rather not take the time to list them here.

I've auditioned for college degrees at three points in my life (for my Bachelor's degree, my Master's degree, and my Doctorate degree), and my audition programs were different in all occasions. Developing balanced programs that meet all the requirements can be downright difficult, but whatever you do, play what you love, and play it well!

Good luck with your project!

- Greg

The Juilliard Experience

Dear Greg,
I'm an undergraduate piano performance student at the University of Toronto and also have taken lessons with Jacob Lateiner in New York. I wanted to study at Juilliard for my undergrad degree but this did not work out, as such I am planning to apply again once I finish my B.M. and artist diploma here. My previous teacher graduated from Juilliard (studied with Mr. Lateiner herself) and always told me it was impossible for me to get there. That may in fact be true, but I'm still going to try. I am just wondering - who was/were your teacher(s) and what were a the key concepts/lessons you learned from them? What was their teaching style? Of course, graduating with an M.M. from there is an incredible accomplishment, and you do play brilliantly, but how did you get to perform the way you do now? Did you enjoy your years at Juilliard?
With Respect, Jarred D.

Dear Jarred,

The six years I spent at Juilliard (B.M. and M.M.) were amazing, constructive, and productive. The energy within the Juilliard walls is phenomenal... absolutely inspiring. My colleagues were genuinely supportive and friendly, my teachers showed utmost concern for my personal well-being and musicianship, and the administration worked hard to push my peers and me beyond our comfort zones and into the real world. The school also supplied me with incredible performance opportunities.

I'm not sure where some of the untrue myths originated, but contrary to some popular beliefs, Juilliard is not a factory for automatons. There are no razor blades between the keys. Students and faculty members are not viciously competitive. The school does not value accuracy and virtuosity over musicianship. For an example of the contrary, check out the program notes to this concert that my piano class put together of our own accord.

Sometimes I wonder if people were so unfortunate as to listen to a performance by one of the few unmusical beasts who got lucky during their Juilliard audition... and then the listener made judgments about the entire school. Sometimes I wonder if people who didn't get into Juilliard spread fallacies about the school to ease their pain. Sometimes I wonder if a few Juilliard students found themselves intimidated by their surroundings, and blamed the experience on the school rather than on the source of the problem -- on themselves.

For the most part, I found Juilliard to be a happy and energetic place. I was constantly inspired by the performances of my peers. In a lonely practice room, Orion Weiss gave the most incredible performance of a Mozart sonata I have ever heard; Mozart's music has never sounded the same since. Melody Brown made me tear up while playing the music of Henry Cowell, and Elizabeth Joy Roe made my hair stand on end while running through the Barber Piano Concerto in studio class. My class of freshmen dancers (I was a T.A. for their music theory class) showed me just how exciting Gregorian chant can be; their innocent wonder couldn't have been more beautiful. And I had no idea that a simple twist of one's breath could make me writhe in my seat as it did during a fourth-year drama production. My Juilliard experience was amazing!

I apologize for my long-winded diatribe which was, for the most part, unprovoked. Too often, I find myself rolling my eyes when a musician says, "Oohhhhh... you went to Juilliard..." with a certain implication of disapproval. Your question didn't suggest any of that, but it brought up the issue, which I was clearly happy to write about. To be succinct, I loved my Juilliard experience. :-)

My primary teacher at the school was Julian Martin. I have no trouble singing praises of the man, but it would probably take me too long to fully express myself. In short: he is one of the most articulate musicians I have ever encountered. He can describe exactly how music works; although his demonstrations at the piano can be equally inspiring, what amazes me more is his ability to find the right words to describe his intentions. A few carefully chosen words, and *bingo*, you've just plunged deeper into the music than a few hours of practice could have afforded you.

I would hesitate to list key concepts/lessons that I learned from Julian Martin. I studied with him for six years, often for more than a mere hour a week, and I believe that any simplification of his ideas would be unfair to him. He is as inspiring teaching Bach as he is Rachmaninoff, and the sheer volume of ideas, concepts, principles, and information I learned over my six years could fill several books.

Thank you for your interest, and I wish you the best as you prepare to audition again!

- Greg

Juilliard Connections

Hi Greg,
I read your response about your Juilliard audition and saw your repertoire at the end. Wow - my repertoire is EXACTLY the same!! I am a senior in high school auditioning, and I was wondering what connections (if any?) you had to the faculty before your audition - masterclasses, lessons, etc. Thank you!!!!
 - Mariam

Hi Mariam,

Wow -- what a coincidence that our audition repertoire was exactly the same!
I didn't have any connections when I applied to Juilliard. The closest thing to a connection: I attended Bowdoin Summer Music Festival during my sophomore year of high school -- while I was there, I watched Veda Kaplinsky teach a masterclass. I can definitely attest that Juilliard admits students based on ability, not connections.

 - Greg (Oct. 24, 2009)

Finding Success without an Undergraduate Degree

Dear Greg,
Very nice, interactive site here! You seem to know the ropes of the music world pretty well, so I thought I'd ask a question. I was pretty serious about piano in my teens--I went to Interlochen most summers, was on "From the Top," and I had lots of success in local competitions. Come college time, I wasn't very interested in taking the "music major" path. I mostly pursued other interests, graduating with a French major and a writing major, with a bit of piano lessons and practicing on the side. Near the end of school, I totally changed course and realized I wanted to be a pianist. I'm now in the graduate program at Carnegie Mellon with plans to apply to Peabody for a doctorate next year. I guess my question is: Does anybody succeed in the music world without having done an undergrad music program? I'm really not going for the "insanely successful concert pianist" thing. If I could join a university faculty and keep a relatively busy recital schedule, I would be quite content. Do any names come to mind of successful pianists who made their "music career" choice after undergrad? I feel dumb for having missed the chance to do a 4-year conservatory program, but hindsight is 20/20, and so on.
 - AJ

Dear AJ,

That's a great question! I really don't think it matters what degrees you have; if you play well, you play well, and people will notice. Two very famous cellists majored outside of music and did very well for themselves: Yo Yo Ma and Alicia Weilerstein. That said, a university faculty position and a relatively busy recital schedule is a lot to ask for, even for most conservatory-educated gradates. I have so many friends -- with doctorates -- who would give most anything for a university faculty position!

There is no reason to harbor regrets for decisions you made; you can always use your undergraduate degrees to your advantage! Try programming concerts of French music; demonstrate to audiences how the lyricism of the language translates into the music; talk about French poetry -- what makes it beautiful, unique, or interesting -- and show how French composers utilized these attributes in their music (Gaspard de la nuit is terrific for this). Or: develop concert programs that juxtapose writing and music... that is fertile ground -- you could devote several concerts to Goethe's Faust! When you apply for teaching positions, use your academic credentials as an asset -- offer to teach classes on the topics I just mentioned, or simply state that you would be able to relate especially well with students pursuing academic degrees.

Cheer up! No regrets!

- Greg

Getting into Juilliard

Hi Greg,
I'm 14 and I'm wondering if I could go to Juilliard when I graduate high school. I've played for three years, but have only been serious about it for a couple months. In 4 months, I've gotten considerably better. I went and saw the 5 Browns last Saturday, and they were amazing. It was the only classical concert I haven't almost fallen asleep in. So, my questions are: 1.) is it at all realistic that I could get into Juilliard? and 2.) how much would I have to practice to achieve this? 2 or 3 hours a day? Thanks!
 - Holly

Hi Greg,
I have been what you could call a "lost soul" when it comes to my future and what I would like to do musically once I reach college (I'm a junior in highschool). I feel pretty set on doing something music related. But I'm not sure what. So you wont be left in the dark, a little background on my music situation: I took two years of piano when I was nine years old, and after then have been playing for my own enjoyment and only recently was able to get back into lessons; at thirteen I played violin, again for two years, before switching to cello which I've found much more to my liking. I've only played for nearly half a year so far. I want to major in music but I don't know if that's possible for me, seeing as I've started so late and may only make five or so years of decent progress. I'm not sure if I could be an extremely advanced pianist, though it is an instrument I hold close to my heart and can usually learn on quickly; I've progressed well on cello so far and I think I may be able to learn quickly enough if I really practice hard. All of this worry about being "advanced enough" points to one college in particular... you guessed it: Juilliard. My family encourages me that I can do it. I've had the notion in my head for a while but I was too ignorant (and a little too self-assured) to study more seriously until now. Has there ever been a person advanced enough to study there who hasn't been playing since they were three? Can one reach that level in a short amount of time if they work at it? Am I crazy to want to go there still?
 - Caroline

Hi Holly and Caroline,
Yes, it's unlikely that you would get into Juilliard, just as it is unlikely that any pianist will get into the school. But it isn't impossible. I can think of at least two pianists who began playing the piano when they were 13 and still got into the undergraduate program. As far as practice goes, I typically practiced a couple hours on piano and a couple hours on violin every day when I was in junior high school. I quit the violin later in high school and relegated its practice time to the piano. This, by no means, reflects what other students would need to invest to get into the school.
Having said all that, I advise you to remain flexible with your future. Don't pigeon-hole yourself into one path to happiness. While Juilliard is a fantastic place to be, it certainly is not the be-all and end-all of music schools. I received my doctorate at Yale, and my experience at the school was similarly wonderful and refreshing (the facilities there, btw, are incredible -- top notch). Who knows how your life will progress! If you don't get into Juilliard, please don't treat that as a sign of failure; the rejection could lead to a transformational experience at another music school... maybe you'll meet the love of your life, or you'll work with an amazing and magical teacher, or maybe your group of friends will ultimately band together to form a chamber ensemble of awesomeness. I always tell myself, "things work out the way they should."
Happy practicing!
 - Greg (Oct. 23, 2009)